Whistle notch vs Weldon: why the two shanks are not interchangeable

Two side-lock shanks, two flats, and a mistake that happens in real shops: putting a whistle notch cutter into a Weldon holder, or the reverse. They are close enough to fit and different enough to matter.

Mongtec BT / BBT tool holder catalogue

Need a holder for either shank? Mongtec end mill holders are made in both forms — Weldon (DIN 1835-B) and whistle notch (DIN 1835-E), bores 6 to 50 mm, on BT and BBT tapers. Ask for a quote.

Weldon — a flat parallel to the axis, clamped by a set screw. DIN 6359 / 1835B
Weldon — a flat parallel to the axis, clamped by a set screw. DIN 6359 / 1835B
Whistle notch — an inclined flat (2°) that pulls the tool back onto the seat. DIN 1835E
Whistle notch — an inclined flat (2°) that pulls the tool back onto the seat. DIN 1835E

The difference in one table

Weldon, DIN 1835-BThe flat is parallel to the axis. The set screw pushes sideways onto the flat. Axial position is set by how far you push the tool in.
Whistle notch, DIN 1835-EThe flat is inclined — Mongtec cuts it at 2°. As the screw tightens it also pulls the tool back against the seat, so the axial position is defined by the holder, not by the operator.

What happens if you mix them

Whistle notch cutter in a Weldon holder: the screw contacts the inclined flat on one edge only. Contact area collapses, the screw can mark the shank, and the tool can creep out under axial load.

Weldon cutter in a whistle notch holder: the screw pushes on a parallel flat with no pull-back effect. It will hold for light work, but you lose the axial repeatability that is the reason for choosing a whistle notch in the first place.

Which to choose

Use Weldon for roughing, heavy side loads, and anywhere you want the simplest possible connection. It is the most common shank on the shop floor.

Use whistle notch when the axial position matters between tool changes — step drilling, depth-critical pocketing, or anywhere a tool creeping out by a tenth of a millimetre would scrap the part.

Mongtec range

Weldonø6 to ø50 mm on BT, BBT and HSK-A tapers. Coolant-through version available — the article number ends in K.
Whistle notchø6 to ø40 mm, flat at 2°.
Set screwsOne screw up to ø20 mm; two screws from ø25 mm upward.

If you are not sure which you have

Put a straight edge along the flat. If it sits flush along the whole length, it is Weldon. If it lifts at one end, it is a whistle notch. Send us a photograph if it is borderline — we would rather check than have you receive the wrong holder.

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The standards behind the names

ShankHSS cuttersSolid carbide cutters
Plain cylindricalDIN 1835-ADIN 6535-HA
Weldon (parallel flat)DIN 1835-BDIN 6535-HB
Whistle notch (inclined flat)DIN 1835-EDIN 6535-HE

The letter is what to check on the cutter box. A cutter marked HB or 1835-B goes in a Weldon holder; HE or 1835-E goes in a whistle notch holder. A plain HA shank has no flat at all and belongs in a collet, shrink fit or hydraulic holder, not a side-lock holder.

Set screw by bore size

BoreSet screwScrews
ø6M61
ø8M81
ø10M101
ø12M121
ø14M121
ø16M141
ø18M141
ø20M161
ø25M18×22
ø32M20×22
ø40M20×22
ø50M24×22

Source: Mongtec end mill holder range. From ø25 mm the holder uses two screws, so the cutter needs two flats in the right positions — check this before buying cutters for a new holder.

Side-lock or a gripping holder?

Weldon and whistle notch are side-lock connections: the screw stops the cutter from pulling out, which is why they suit roughing and heavy side loads. The trade-off is run-out, because the screw pushes the shank to one side of the bore. When finish and run-out matter more than pull-out security, a collet, shrink fit or hydraulic holder is the better choice — see shrink fit, hydraulic or mechanical.

Frequently asked

Can I put a whistle notch cutter in a Weldon holder?

It will fit, but it should not be used that way. The screw meets the inclined flat on one edge only, the contact area collapses and the tool can creep out under axial load.

Is the whistle notch angle always 2°?

The DIN 1835-E and DIN 6535-HE flat is inclined at 2°, and Mongtec whistle notch holders are cut at 2°.

Which spindle tapers does Mongtec build end mill holders for?

Weldon holders are built on BT, BBT and HSK-A tapers, from ø6 to ø50 mm; whistle notch holders from ø6 to ø40 mm. See Mongtec end mill holders.

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What to send for a quote

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